September 1, 2010 6:30 PM - 29 attended

Protest the Pope Debate - The Papal Visit should not be a State Visit

Conway Hall (map)

Selected By: Tyrone

The Central London Humanists in partnership with the British Humanist Association and the South Place Ethical Society (SPES) are staging a debate on the core arguments of the Protest the Pope Campaign.

The motion for the debate will be:

“The Papal Visit should not be a State Visit“.

Speakers for the motion are:
* Professor A. C. Grayling
* Human Rights Campaigner Peter Tatchell

Speakers against the motion are:
* Catholic Journalist Austen Ivereigh
* TBA

Chaired by Polly Toynbee, British Journalist and Writer, columnist for the Guardian since 1998.

The debate will take place at Conway Hall on Wednesday 1st September at 6.30pm.

Free entrance. Seats are limited so early arrival is advised.

More information at http://www.protest-th....

  • Allan
    Allan

    Was quite an event! While I could sympathize with the Catholic audience for feeling besieged by the critical judgment of their religion, I was singularly unimpressed with the spin from those against the motion. Playing the misunderstood martyr is still their forte it seems.

    Posted September 1, 2010 at 11:45 PM
  • Allan
    Allan

    I'm a visitor in London and this was my first GALHA event. I don't know how this meetup actually works. Is it a loose collective of individuals with similar values? Or does the group actually meet up socially after an event like tonight's? I couldn't find any signage or logos that advertised the group.

    Posted September 1, 2010 at 11:50 PM
  • Martin Waddington
    Martin Waddington

    I was so glad I attended. A C Grayling was brilliant, as expected - witty, cogent and stuck to the subject. Peter Tatchell also spoke well - and perhaps surprised us all by commencing a few positive points that might be made in the Pope's favour (not that many, actually!)
    Some memorable moments: a 63-year-old survivor of sexual abuse during her Catholic upbringing spoke up candidly and angrily. This was clearly unexpected and difficult for the RCC apologists to deal with from the platform.

    Posted September 2, 2010 at 12:50 AM
  • Martin Waddington
    Martin Waddington

    Another glorious moment: a rather pompous man tried to criticise Grayling's impeccable logic (should have known better).
    Polly Toynbee chaired the meeting well, dealing with with several people who found it hard to contain their anger. Both sides accused the other of lying - certainly Catholic journalist Austen Ivereigh was guilty of disingenuousness at various points. There was no vote taken, but applause alternated so sides were clearly entrenched.

    Posted September 2, 2010 at 12:58 AM
  • James Hayes
    James Hayes

    The debate was quite dynamic I thought! Hard to keep comments focussed and PT could have chaired better I think. Ivereigh and priest were fond of misinformation and factual inaccuracies though they shouldn't have been shouted down? I might have preferred a vote though. People can change their minds after all, even catholics(I had!). Sterling response from Grayling when challenged on his logical thinking! Brilliant.

    Posted September 2, 2010 at 8:52 PM
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29 attended
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  • Event Host
    Tyrone
    Events promoter, Assistant Organizer
  • Event Host
    Adam Knowles
    Chair, Organizer
  • Event Host
    Derek Lennard
    Events co-ordinator, Assistant Organizer
  • Alan Trevethan
    +2 guests
    I'm glad we made the effort of battling with the traffic and horrendous road works (We took nearly twice the normal time to travel). It was good to see fellows from Galha, BHA, NSS etc.. I understand the comments about a visable presence. The three of us did discuss having KAMHA name tags. There was an advantage also in not overstating who we were to avoid being seen as not open to being persuaded by good debate. I regret the occasions where the debate, audience questions and hackling went off topic. A vote was not needed, in my opinion, as we were the largest section of the audience to begin with. Wishing all at GALHA the very best for the conference. KAMHA look forward to continuing our mutual support, and in particular wish to carry on manning the bar. Alan
  • James Hayes
    Great event. Made me so very, very glad I got out of the catholic church and all its revolting lies and deception. The two against the motion clearly are in it deep. Poor sods. And poor anybody else that puts their trust in them. Devout catholics in the audience were scary too! Impressive and irritating just how righteous some of the comments were: martyrs in the making! And the press will eat it up. Good solid evidence from G&T- needed more, too, to unravel the confusing status that the vatican enjoys. How to end it? Forever immune from law?
  • Martin Waddington
    Obviously people attended with entrenched positions. I found I was surrounded by fervent Catholics and I noticed they only applauded their own speakers, which seems a little ungracious. There were a few moments when I felt our side (members of the audience) also let itself down, unable to contain its emotions. On the other hand, the first-hand account of childhood sexual abuse from one lady was met with respectful condign silence. This meetup was important, well-organised and intellectually stimulating. I will certainly try to participate in future events. If there was a GALHA welcome stall, I'm afraid I missed it. I saw a few faces I recognised, but was a bit too timid to say hello!!!
  • Michael O
    I really enjoyed the debate and thought A C Grayling was superb - I thought his motion was infused with humour and intelligence. Peter Tatchell did a fine job backing up the arguement, but as for those catholic boys? Oh dear! So glad I came along.
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